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[edit]Category:Films set in the Israeli Military Governorate
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Films set in the West Bank. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:12, 30 April 2025 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: merge, West Bank is a more specific location of setting of the only article in this category. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:23, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
- Do you have a source to prove the film only takes place in the West Bank and not in other territories of the entity? The IMG also has historic implications, which the wording WB does not contain. So, as this is neutral/defining/verifiable, Oppose. I cannot see the benefit that would be brought by making things less precise. Feel free to add the category about WB if the film is partly set there, though. -Mushy Yank. 13:14, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on Mushy Yank's comment?
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- The only article in the category mentions the Judaean Desert. If not in Israel (which this category implies) then it must be in the West Bank. We can also delete the category altogether, as it is not clear where exactly the one film is set. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:29, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nom, the meeting in the "Judaean Desert" is with PLO representatives so the West Bank is evidently meant. The film also belongs in Category:Films set in Israel for other scenes e.g. near Tel Aviv. – Fayenatic London 20:12, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
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Category:Little Women films
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- The result of the discussion was: rename. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:50, 30 April 2025 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Little Women films to Category:Films based on Little Women
- Nominator's rationale: Per similar category names. RanDom 404 (talk) 17:31, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support - This should also be changed for other, similar categories such as Category:Anne of Green Gables films, Category:Heidi films, Category:Pinocchio films, and Category:The Jungle Book films, among others. (Oinkers42) (talk) 19:09, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support per nom --Lenticel (talk) 20:44, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
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Cities in fiction
[edit] Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 April 30#Cities in fiction
Category:Energy infrastructure closed in 1975
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:49, 30 April 2025 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Novel category freshly created for just one thing. We have no other "Energy infrastructure closed in YYYY" categories for any other year (as witness the fact that "by year of closing" also had to be freshly created just to parent 1975, and has no other contents), so this is hardly needed for just one thing -- but it's unlikely that there's any editorial will to actually start creating or populating such categories now, as they would likely already exist if they were actually wanted or needed. Bearcat (talk) 17:17, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Delete unless creator is willing to expand this to a full tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:33, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
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Category:Disney Channels Worldwide original programming
[edit] Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 April 30#Category:Disney Channels Worldwide original programming
Category:Works based on children's literature
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:20, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:Works based on children's literature
- Nominator's rationale: delete, redundant category layer with only two subcategories, of which one subcategory does not even entirely belong here. No need to merge, both subcategories are already in the tree of Category:Works based on literature. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:24, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Landslide victories
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:49, 30 April 2025 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:Landslide victories (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Landslide victories in Canada (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Landslide victories in the United Kingdom (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SUBJECTIVECAT. User:Namiba 14:18, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:54, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. The exact threshold of a "landslide victory" is unclear. Consider also cleaning up the article Landslide victory by only including elections described in RS as landslide victories. -insert valid name here- (talk) 16:26, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Delete. There's no clear or objective definition of what constitutes a "landslide" election victory, as the term is quite routinely overused to mean almost any election victory the user wants to portray as such — I've even seen elections with modest victory margins of 52-48 or 51-49 described as "landslides", when they were obviously nothing of the sort. In my experience, it's typically used less as an objective description of the election itself, and more as an ideologically loaded assertion that the winner has a mandate and thus the opposition has to STFU and support anything the winner demands without comment or pushback. So inclusion in these categories comes down to matters of opinion, rather than clearly quantifiable fact. Bearcat (talk) 17:33, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Lenticel (talk) 20:45, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
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Category:Greco-Roman Trickster deities
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Trickster deities. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:49, 30 April 2025 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary container of Greek and Roman tricksters with not enough contents to justify its need. Category:Trickster deities isn't otherwise subcategorised by culture. Also "trickster" in the title obviously doesn't need a capital so it should be speedy renamed if kept. Mclay1 (talk) 12:44, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support in principle, per nom, but upmerge to Category:Trickster deities. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:56, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Yes, sorry, definitely upmerge to Category:Trickster deities. Mclay1 (talk) 07:46, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
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Category:Veteran feminists
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:48, 30 April 2025 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Veteran feminists to Category:Feminists
- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining intersection, without a main page. Upmerge. SMasonGarrison 12:05, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support in principle, per nom, but just delete because articles are already in Category:Second wave feminists or Category:American feminists. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:59, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Delete, not merge per Marcocapelle.--User:Namiba 16:59, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
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Category:Entertainers by populated place in Vermont
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- The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:48, 30 April 2025 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Subcategory with just two entries. Lost in Quebec (talk) 10:41, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:00, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
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Category:Pakistani internists
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- The result of the discussion was: merge as nominated. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:52, 30 April 2025 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Pakistani internists to Category:Internists
- Nominator's rationale: Only 1 entry. Also merge with Category:Pakistani medical doctors.
Also nominating for merging:
- Category:Colombian internists to Category:Internists and Category:Colombian physicians
- Category:Peruvian internists to Category:Internists and Category:Peruvian physicians
- Category:Serbian internists to Category:Internists and Category:Serbian physicians
- Category:Swedish internists to Category:Internists and Category:Swedish physicians LibStar (talk) 06:42, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Dual merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:01, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
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Category:State funerals in Vatican City
[edit] Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 April 30#Category:State funerals in Vatican City
Category:United States Anglican church stubs
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- The result of the discussion was: keep the category where it is, and update the description. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:46, 30 April 2025 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: At world scale, the Anglican Communion comprises several Christian denominations, among others: the Category:Scottish Episcopal Church, the Category:Church of South India, etc. In particular, my nomination proposal is related to the Episcopal Church of the United States, specifically its church building-related stubs. Right now there are over 500 stubs. So, I am proposing the aforementioned renaming fron Category:United States Anglican church stubs to Category:Episcopal Church (United States) church stubs (itself a subcategory of Category:Anglican church stubs). Best, --Fadesga (talk) 23:17, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
- What about the Anglican Church in North America? Marcocapelle (talk) 02:59, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: Thanks for your suggestion. But there is yet another problem. The Anglican Church in North America (established 2009) split from the Episcopal Church of the United States (established much earlier, in 1821), so they are two separate church bodies; both are part, though, of the worldwide Anglican Communion. That is the real problem here: on the one side, a rather big denomination with over 500 stubs (all of them church buildings), and on the other side, a much smaller denomination with less than 40 stubs (of which, only 5 church stubs. Maybe this tiny church stub category should be put into yet another different category. And that is why I am asking for a category renaming. Best, --Fadesga (talk) 10:45, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
- @Fadesga: Category:United States Presbyterian church stubs is also a stub category for a denominational family rather than for a single denomination, and what is wrong with it? Marcocapelle (talk) 16:36, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: OK, I have further read about Anglicanism in general, and finding an ideal solution is difficult indeed. So: what about an inclusive solution? The idea is as follows. There is already the {{US-Anglican-bishop-stub}} with the qualifier "about an American Episcopal or Anglican bishop..." (look at this template edition). So I believe this idea could be further adapted, such as {{US-anglican-church-stub}} with the qualifier "about an American Episcopal or Anglican church..." What do you think of it? Best, --Fadesga (talk) 22:14, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
- @Fadesga: that sounds perfectly reasonable. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:32, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Two things. First, I will tag the category. Second, there seems to be consensus for a change in the category description, but what should the name of Category:United States Anglican church stubs be?
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- To my best understanding we have consensus not to change the category name, but only change the description. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:45, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Agree with Marcocapelle. Do not forget: the US Episcopal Church is part of the Anglican Communion, and there are some split church bodies in the US that are "Anglican" but not "Episcopal". Fadesga (talk) 11:44, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
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Category:4th millennium
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:15, 30 April 2025 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: delete, redundant category layer with only one subcategory and one article. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:22, 5 April 2025 (UTC)
- Delete This is a surprisingly hard one, since Zeitpyramide doesn't obviously fit anywhere else into Category:Future. But then it can go directly into that category unless there is a better option. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 12:41, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: The nomination tag was removed by an IP only 4 days after nomination (9th April). Relisting since it was not tagged for full 7 days. May be closed even if no new comments are added.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 07:51, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
- Comment I'm unsure as Category:Fiction set in the 4th millennium is a full category and I'm not sure where else it would be categorized. Liz Read! Talk! 07:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
- Comment If kept, this needs renaming to Category:4th millennium CE to distinguish it from Category:4th millennium BC. I just added 19th century Comet Donati, set to return around 3600, and Jonathon Keats, for his millennium camera image to be exhibited in 3015. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paradoctor (talk • contribs) 00:15, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
- Comment - I wouldn't have said so - all other CE millennia are listed just as "Xth millennium". CE is default, and also avoids arguments about CE/AD. Grutness...wha? 15:22, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on the most recent comments?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 04:04, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Meanwhile there are three articles in the category instead of one, but 4th millennium is hardly a defining characteristic for any of the three and the three articles really have nothing in common. Zeitpyramide sits in Category:Unfinished sculptures and is perfectly fine there, the other two articles do not require any "future" categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:53, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Indeed, the connection for Jonathon Keats is tenuous at best — a very short paragraph about one of his art projects which will complete in 3015. Same with Comet Donati, for which the date of its next visit to the inner Solar System is highly uncertain but will be in c. 3597. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 08:35, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
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Mythological -> in mythology
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- The result of the discussion was: Withdrawn. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 15:14, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological anthropophages to Category:Anthropophages in mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological aquatic creatures to Category:Aquatic creatures in mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological archers to Category:Archers in mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological archetypes to Category:Archetypes in mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological arthropods to Category:Arthropods in mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological bears to Category:Bears in mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological birds of prey to Category:Birds of prey in mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological blind people to Category:Blind people in mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological bovines to Category:Bovines in mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological bridges to Category:Bridges in mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological bulls to Category:Bulls in mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological canines to Category:Canines in mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological cannibals to Category:Cannibals in mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological caprids to Category:Caprids in mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological cats to Category:Cats in mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological cephalopods to Category:Cephalopods in mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological characters to Category:Characters in mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological clothing to Category:Clothing in mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological corvids to Category:Corvids in mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological deer to Category:Deer in mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological dogs to Category:Dogs in mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological duos to Category:Duos in mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological elephants to Category:Elephants in mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological family trees to Category:Family trees in mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological felines to Category:Felines in mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological first humans to Category:First humans in mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological food and drink to Category:Food and drink in mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological foxes to Category:Foxes in mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological fratricides to Category:Fratricides in mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological galliforms to Category:Galliforms in mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological hematophages to Category:Hematophages in mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological heroes to Category:Heroes in mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological hunters to Category:Hunters in mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological insects to Category:Insects in mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological islands to Category:Islands in mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological knots to Category:Knots in mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological lions to Category:Lions in mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological lovers to Category:Lovers in mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological mammals to Category:Mammals in mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological married couples to Category:Married couples in mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological marsupials to Category:Marsupials in mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological medicines and drugs to Category:Medicines and drugs in mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological molluscs to Category:Molluscs in mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological monkeys to Category:Monkeys in mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological mountains to Category:Mountains in mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological musical instruments to Category:Musical instruments in mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological objects to Category:Objects in mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological patricides to Category:Patricides in mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological people involved in incest to Category:People involved in incest in mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological pigs to Category:Pigs in mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological poisons to Category:Poisons in mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological rabbits and hares to Category:Rabbits and hares in mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological rape victims to Category:Rape victims in mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological rapists to Category:Rapists in mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological rivers to Category:Rivers in mythology (over redirect)
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological rodents to Category:Rodents in mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological royalty to Category:Royalty in mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological shields to Category:Shields in mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological ships to Category:Ships in mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological spiders to Category:Spiders in mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological swordfighters to Category:Swordfighters in mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological swords to Category:Swords in mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological tigers to Category:Tigers in mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological tricksters to Category:Tricksters in mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological trios to Category:Trios in mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological weapons to Category:Weapons in mythology
- Propose merging Category:Mythological animals to Category:Animals in mythology
- Propose merging Category:Mythological plants to Category:Plants in mythology
- Propose merging Category:Mythological forests to Category:Forests in mythology
- Propose merging Category:Mythological horses to Category:Horses in mythology
- Nominator's rationale: Listing per request of Jc37. No opinion on the merits; I will let them give an actual rationale. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:12, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you so much to HouseBlaster for helping list these nominations : ) - jc37 04:15, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Ok, so the goal here is to remove usage of the word "mythological". As noted here, usage of Mythology has the issue that it is both legendary, and also can be considered religion. So with that in mind, the goal is to minimise the usage to those things which are "mythology as religion" - gods/deities; and archetypes - types of humans, animals, objects and geographic locations. But not named legendary people, peoples, or locations. And due to WP:OVERLAPCAT, grouping non-real-world creatures using the adjective "Legendary", which allows for the broader grouping. More distinction than this requires the use of a List, due to the Disadvantages of a category. Once this is all done, it should be easier to take a look at other such named categories. I'll copy/paste this to each of the related noms on this page. I separated them by type for easier discussions. - jc37 04:15, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- As an option, could alternatively rename to "Category:Legendary X in mythology". - jc37 04:53, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Just a general comment to respond to various comments in the noms below. - There is a difference between "myth", "mythic", "mythological", "mythology", "in mythology", "of mythology", etc. And so are "Legendary", "Legend", "in legend", etc.
- That said, this nom was rushed (no one's fault but mine), and there were comments added even before I added what I wrote above. So rather than go through and explain and source the whys and wherefores of the noms and also how we need to follow Wikipedia policy, I think I'll withdraw this for now, and save everyone some time here. - jc37 08:59, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
- Sorry, but I have to say that I'm finding the logic here very difficult to understand. You seem to be arguing that the word "mythological" denotes something distinct from the word "mythology". But the word "mythology" is simply the adjectival form of "mythology", meaning that, by definiton, it simply describes something which belongs to or relates to mythology.
- You say that
Mythology has the issue that it is both legendary, and also can be considered religion
. I have to say I'm really not seeing the issue with this. I would say that the words "mythological" and "legendary" are relatively similar, and are probably interchangeable in a number of contexts; the main difference, in my view, is that "legendary" tends to denote things which are "closer" to history. For example, no one would describe Erebus as "legendary", while for a figure such as Musaeus of Athens the label seems more appropriate than "mythical". A look at the entries in the OCD that use the word "legendary" would seem to roughly align with this. - As to
Mythology [...] can be considered religion
, as well asin some sources, [mythology] is synonymous with religion
: can it, and is it? I'm not sure these statements make that much sense. Of course some myths are of greater religious significance than others – some may be closely linked with specific rituals, while others might be simple literary inventions – but this doesn't by any measure mean that mythology is religion. Perhaps what you meant is that Greek mythology (for instance) can be considered an aspect of ancient Greek religion? But I certainly don't see why any of this necessitates avoidance of the word "mythological" in favour of "mythology". – Michael Aurel (talk) 07:02, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- As an option, could alternatively rename to "Category:Legendary X in mythology". - jc37 04:53, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Strong oppose Changes it from defining to non-defining by allowing in works tangentially related to the subject. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:10, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- I do not follow the rationale. Mythology (e.g. Greek, Norse and Hindu mythology) also contains named people, peoples and locations. It would be a quite random move to exclude these. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:02, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Comment Other than a stylistic change in the title, I don't see any actual impact on scope from this suggestion. Dimadick (talk) 06:51, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose. I don't see the point. "Mythological" means "in mythology", so you won't remove any deities from any of the categories - they new names seem to cover exactly the same thing. Also, as zxcvbnm says, "in mythology" widens the scope as it can include non-mythological items. You're simply making the category use less rigorous. Cerberus, for example, is a mythological animal that is an animal in mythology, but a wolf is an animal found in mythology that is not a mythological animal (i.e., it exists). Sadly, jc37's alternative just makes for a more convoluted name meaning the same as the current name. Grutness...wha? 06:59, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose. As others have pointed out, this broadens the scope of the listed categories. Grutness's example of Cerberus and a wolf effectively demonstrates this. This is also implied by the fact that a handful of the categories above are elements of their proposed renaming targets; for example, Category:Mythological forests and Category:Mythological plants are elements of Category:Forests in mythology and Category:Plants in mythology, respectively. – Michael Aurel (talk) 07:13, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per other arguments above. Some "X in mythology" categories are worth having but not all and not instead of "Mythological X" categories. Mclay1 (talk) 12:23, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose. "In mythology" is not meaningfully different than "mythological". And as correctly pointed out, "in mythology" widens the scope of articles that could be included, but in a non-defining manner. Deiadameian (talk) 8:23, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
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Category:Mythological powers
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- The result of the discussion was: Withdrawn. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 15:14, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological powers to Category:Superhuman abilities in mythology
- Nominator's rationale: Nominating on behalf of Jc37 per request; I will let them make a nomination statement. No opinion on the merits. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:59, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- per the nomination above, and to align with the parent "superhuman abilities". - jc37 04:15, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Strong oppose Changes it from defining to non-defining by allowing in works tangentially related to the subject. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:10, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- This should be closed the same way as above. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:04, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per other arguments above. Mclay1 (talk) 12:23, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per the comments of myself and others above. – Michael Aurel (talk) 13:17, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
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Renaming to X in Y-ian mythology
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- The result of the discussion was: Withdrawn. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 15:14, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological and legendary Chinese reptiles (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Reptiles in Chinese mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological and legendary Chinese snakes (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Snakes in Chinese mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological and legendary Chinese turtles (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Turtles in Chinese mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological and legendary Japanese birds (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Birds in Japanese mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological and legendary Japanese snakes (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Snakes in Japanese mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological Greek archers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Archers in Greek mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological Greek physicians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Physicians in Greek mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological Greek seers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Seers in Greek mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological Greek tutors of gods (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Tutors of gods in Greek mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological Norse weapons (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Weapons in Norse mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological Thracian women (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Thracian women in Greek mythology
- Nominator's rationale: Nomination of behalf of Jc37 per request; I will let them add a proper rationale. No opinion on the merits. BlasterOfHouses (HouseBlaster's alt • talk • he/they) 03:22, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- per the nomination above. - jc37 04:17, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- As an option, could alternatively rename to "Category:Legendary X in Y mythology". - jc37 04:53, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Strong oppose Changes it from defining to non-defining by allowing in works tangentially related to the subject. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:11, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- This should be closed the same way as above. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:04, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per my comments in the "Mythological foo" discussion. This change would similarly broaden the scope of these cateogries, and again I'm unable to understand why the nominator thinks the word "mythological" must be avoided. – Michael Aurel (talk) 07:29, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per other arguments above. Mclay1 (talk) 12:23, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per arguments in "Mythological foo" Grutness...wha? 15:16, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
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Mythological stuff to legendary stuff
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- The result of the discussion was: Withdrawn. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 15:14, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological and legendary characters by culture (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary characters by culture
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological city founders (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary city founders
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological creature user templates (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary creature user templates
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological dynasties (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary dynasties
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological dynasties and royal families (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary dynasties and royal families
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological female royalty (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary female royalty
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological human hybrids (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary human hybrids
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological human–animal hybrids (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary human–animal hybrids
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological hybrids (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary hybrids
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological kingdoms, empires, and countries (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary kingdoms, empires, and countries
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological kings (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary kings
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological male royalty (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary male royalty
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological peoples (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary peoples
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological places (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary places
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological places by culture (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary places by culture
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological populated places (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary populated places
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological princes (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary princes
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological princesses (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary princesses
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological queens (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary queens
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological substances (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary substances
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological water creatures (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary water creatures
- Propose merging Category:Mythological creatures (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary creatures
- Propose merging Category:Mythological people (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary people
- Propose merging Category:Mythological people by nationality (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary people by nationality
- Nominator's rationale: Nomination per request of Jc37; I'll let them write an actual rationale. No opinion on the merits. BlasterOfHouses (HouseBlaster's alt • talk • he/they) 03:45, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Strong oppose Myth and legend are different things, despite some people apparently taking 0 time to research the difference. Legends are often based on real events and are simply exaggerated over time, while myths have no evidence of their existence. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:07, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- That's actually not true. There are legends which may not be based upon anything at all. And Myths which do have evidence of their existence. And mythology is a grouping of stories, which for some helps comprise religion. And besides, we on Wikipedia should not be the ones to decide what may or may not be real. A story is a story. So limiting use of the word "mythology" to those things which require it. That which doesn't, are then "legendary". - jc37 04:26, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- See the evidence I posted in the other discussion from Britannica proving that legends generally have a factual basis, even if they are exaggerated or fictionalized. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:51, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- That's actually not true. There are legends which may not be based upon anything at all. And Myths which do have evidence of their existence. And mythology is a grouping of stories, which for some helps comprise religion. And besides, we on Wikipedia should not be the ones to decide what may or may not be real. A story is a story. So limiting use of the word "mythology" to those things which require it. That which doesn't, are then "legendary". - jc37 04:26, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Procedural oppose, this is too much at once. We need to evaluate these categories one by one. (See examples in the discussion below.) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:12, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per my response to the nominator's reasoning in the "Mythological foo" discussion. I'm unable to understand why they think the word "mythological" must be avoided. – Michael Aurel (talk) 07:18, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per Marcocapelle. silviaASH (inquire within) 09:24, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose. This doesn't make sense. Many articles in these categories are from mythology. Greek mythology, Egyptian mythology, etc. are all established terms and we can't redefine them as legends. And if the goal is to change the scope of the categories to exclude articles about mythology, then I don't understand that at all. Mclay1 (talk) 12:23, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per arguments in "Mythological foo" Grutness...wha? 15:16, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose. "Myth" and "legend" mean different things; neither one necessarily means "fictional", but insofar as these categories all relate to mythology, this proposal makes no sense. "Mythological" has a distinct technical meaning; "legendary" does not. While its meaning is clearer when applied to creatures instead of people, creatures occurring in mythology are just as worthy of inclusion under that heading, and many legendary creatures don't appear in mythology, so "mythological" is still an important distinction. P Aculeius (talk) 15:22, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
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Mythological -> legendary royalty
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- The result of the discussion was: WP:SNOW keep. Nominator withdrew, and plenty of well-founded opposition. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 15:14, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological kings of Anga (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary kings of Anga
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological kings of Arcadia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary kings of Arcadia
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological kings of Colchis (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary kings of Colchis
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological kings of Denmark (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary kings of Denmark
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological kings of Kosala (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary kings of Kosala
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological kings of Kuru (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary kings of Kuru
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological kings of Laconia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary kings of Laconia
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological kings of Magadha (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary kings of Magadha
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological kings of Panchala (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary kings of Panchala
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological kings of Pañcāla (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary kings of Pañcāla
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological kings of Pherae (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary kings of Pherae
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological kings of Sicyon (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary kings of Sicyon
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological kings of Sparta (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary kings of Sparta
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological kings of Sweden (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary kings of Sweden
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological kings of Thessaly (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary kings of Thessaly
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological kings of Thrace (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary kings of Thrace
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological kings of Troy (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary kings of Troy
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological kings of Videha (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary kings of Videha
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological Korean kings (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary kings of Korea
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological Indian monarchs (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary monarchs of India
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological Indian royalty (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary royalty of India
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological Greek royalty (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary royalty of Greece
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological Greek kings (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary kings of Greece
- Nominator's rationale: Nomination per request of Jc37; I'll let them write a proper rationale. No opinion on the merits. BlasterOfHouses (HouseBlaster's alt • talk • he/they) 03:42, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Strong oppose Myth and legend are not the same thing. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:11, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- According to who? Sources vary in their usage. Which I am trying to navigate with this nom. - jc37 04:26, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Even if they are the same, why legend over myth? Status quo ante principle applies here, so there has to be a good reason to move them.
- However, at the very least, Britannica does not consider myth and legend the same. It says here that "In common usage the word legend usually characterizes a traditional tale thought to have a historical basis". Myths do not necessarily have any known historical basis and may have been created whole cloth by a person or culture. A prime example is Johnny Appleseed, a man who became a living legend, but is not considered a "mythological figure". ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:20, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- According to who? Sources vary in their usage. Which I am trying to navigate with this nom. - jc37 04:26, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- I support renaming Category:Mythological kings of Denmark, these are kings who have been presumed to be historical. In Sweden we similarly have Category:Semi-legendary kings of Sweden. But I oppose Category:Mythological kings of Anga as the subject in the category comes from Hindu mythology. We really have to evaluate each category separately, so procedural oppose because this is too much at once and not necessarily all similar. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:19, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per my response to the nominator's reasoning in the "Mythological foo" discussion, on the basis that I'm unable to understand why they think the word "mythological" must be avoided. That said, I'm inclined to agree with Marcocapelle that some of the categories probably would benefit from being renamed in this manner. However, proposed renamings should happen individually, or in smaller groups of similar topics. – Michael Aurel (talk) 07:29, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- The Panchala, Indian monarchs, and Greek kings categories are all category redirects, so presumably shouldn't be renamed. — Qwerfjkltalk 08:57, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support. Traditions about kings that were thought to be historical by the cultures that passed them on are legends rather than myths. "Mythological" is definitely the wrong word for these categories. --Nicknack009 (talk) 09:52, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- The technical definition of a "myth" is a traditional story used to explain something (the origin of the world, the nature of the gods, the purpose of a ritual or taboo, the ancient history of a people, etc.). That the story is part of their mythology doesn't make it untrue; in fact, it's teaching a form of "truth", whether the people or events described are historical or merely allegorical—something that often cannot be determined. There might be a historical basis for the myths, but that's not their essential "truth". P Aculeius (talk) 13:06, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Many of these categories contain characters from Greek mythology so "mythological" is definitely not the wrong word. Mclay1 (talk) 12:15, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per other arguments above. Mclay1 (talk) 12:23, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose. While both "legendary" and "mythological" can be ambiguous as to whether a historical basis for someone exists, "mythological" has a technical use in the realm of "mythology" that applies to most or all of the categories here. There's no similar application for "legendary". There are instances where "legendary" is preferable to "mythological", but this isn't one of them. P Aculeius (talk) 13:06, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per arguments in "Mythological foo" Grutness...wha? 15:17, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose two different words with different meanings Lord Mountbutter (talk) 17:59, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
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Using "legendary" and renaming to use "people" instead of pluralizing
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- The result of the discussion was: Withdrawn. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 15:14, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological Acarnanians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary Acarnanian people
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological Achaeans (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary Achaean people
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological Aeginetans (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary Aeginetan people
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological Aetolians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary Aetolian people
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological Arcadians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary Arcadian people
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological Argives (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary Argive people
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological Boeotians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary Boeotian people
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological Colchians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary Colchian people
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological Corinthians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary Corinthian people
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological Cretans (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary Cretan people
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological Cypriots (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary Cypriot people
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological Eleans (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary Elean people
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological Eleusinians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary Eleusinian people
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological Euboeans (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary Euboean people
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological Iolcians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary Iolcian people
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological Ithacans (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary Ithacan people
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological Laconians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary Laconian people
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological Lemnians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary Lemnian people
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological Locrians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary Locrian people
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological Megarians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary Megarian people
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological Messenians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary Messenian people
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological Mycenaeans (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary Mycenaean people
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological Paeonians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary Paeonian people
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological Phocians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary Phocian people
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological Phoenicians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary Phoenician people
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological Phrygians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary Phrygian people
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological Pylians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary Pylian people
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological Rhodians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary Rhodian people
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological Salaminians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary Salaminian people
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological Sicilians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary Sicilian people
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological Sicyonians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary Sicyonian people
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological Thebans (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary Theban people
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological Thessalians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary Thessalian people
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological Thracians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary Thracian people
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological Tirynthians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary Tirynthian people
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological people from Anatolia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary Anatolian people
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological people from Attica (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Legendary Attican people
- Nominator's rationale: Listing per request of Jc37; I'll let them write a proper nomination. No opinion on the merits. BlasterOfHouses (HouseBlaster's alt • talk • he/they) 03:33, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- per the nomination above. - jc37 04:26, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- As an option, could alternatively rename to "Category:Legendary people of X", or "Category:Legendary people of X in Greek Mythology". - jc37 04:48, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Strong oppose Myth and legend are not the same thing. No opinion on the "people" thing as I am not sure what the consensus/policy is there. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:13, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose: "Legendary" is ambiguous ("may not have existed" or "really impressive"?) in a way that "mythological" is not. We may wish to standardise on e.g. "Mythological Anatolians" vs "Mythological people from Anatolia", but that seems less important. UndercoverClassicist T·C 06:24, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Procedural oppose, this is too much at once. We need to evaluate these categories one by one. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:26, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per my response to the nominator's reasoning in the "Mythological foo" discussion. I'm unable to understand why they think the word "mythological" must be avoided. – Michael Aurel (talk) 07:29, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose. The articles in these categories are almost entirely from Greek mythology so the nomination makes no sense. Mclay1 (talk) 12:23, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose both substituting "legendary" for "mythological" (strongly), and replacing plurals with "people". The use of "mythological" here is technical: of or relating to myth or mythology, not "fictional, imaginary". "Legendary" is more ambiguous, and better confined to individual persons, where my preference is still to avoid using it to imply that someone did not exist; rather I use it to indicate that the person is the subject of legend (not necessarily occurring in mythology), irrespective of historicity. The change to "people" just makes the titles wordier, and perhaps "fussier" for no reason; animals—aside from mythological beings such as fauns or centaurs—don't need to be distinguished from people. Objects aren't going to be referred to this way. "Locrians" is normally understood to describe people (perhaps including centaurs), not tables, wagons, cabbages, or boulders. There may be individual instances where "people" is helpful, but most of the time it's not. P Aculeius (talk) 13:20, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose. Just because someone is legendary doesn't mean they're mythological, and vice versa. Brian Boru is legendary, but he's not mythological. There are myths about him, but he was a real person. Grutness...wha? 15:19, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose two different words with different meanings Lord Mountbutter (talk) 18:00, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
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Category:Hispanophobia and subcats
[edit] Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 April 30#Category:Hispanophobia and subcats
Category:Stereotypes of Hispanic and Latino American people
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- The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Stereotypes of Hispanic and Latino Americans. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:45, 30 April 2025 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale Rename so that the title is shorter. There's no change in substance. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 02:32, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Comment "Stereotypes of", is that stereotypes Hispanics/Latinos have about others, or vice versa? Paradoctor (talk) 05:43, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Stereotypes regarding Hispanic and Latino Americans. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 07:55, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Then this should be clarified in the category name and/or the category description, because "of" is ambiguous. Paradoctor (talk) 08:16, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Stereotypes regarding Hispanic and Latino Americans. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 07:55, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Support Corresponds better with main article. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:14, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
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Category:Bulgarian anesthesiologists
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- The result of the discussion was: merge as nominated. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:44, 30 April 2025 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Bulgarian anesthesiologists to Category:Anesthesiologists
- Nominator's rationale: Only 1 entry, also merge with Category:Bulgarian physicians.
Also propose merging:
- Category:Czech anesthesiologists with Category:Anesthesiologists and Category:Czech physicians.
- Category:Filipino anesthesiologists with Category:Anesthesiologists and Category:Filipino medical doctors.
- Category:Haitian anesthesiologists with Category:Anesthesiologists and Category:Haitian physicians.
- Category:Mongolian anesthesiologists with Category:Anesthesiologists and Category:Mongolian physicians.
- Category:Pakistani anaesthetists with Category:Anesthesiologists and Category:Pakistani medical doctors.
- Category:Serbian anesthesiologists with Category:Anesthesiologists and Category:Serbian physicians.
- Category:Soviet anesthesiologists with Category:Anesthesiologists and Category:Soviet physicians.
- Category:Spanish anesthesiologists with Category:Anesthesiologists and Category:Spanish physicians.
- Category:Swiss anesthesiologists with Category:Anesthesiologists and Category:Swiss physicians.
- Category:Trinidad and Tobago anaesthetists with Category:Anesthesiologists and Category:Trinidad and Tobago physicians.
- Category:Uruguayan anesthesiologists with Category:Anesthesiologists and Category:Uruguayan physicians. LibStar (talk) 01:38, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:36, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
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Category:Films about Brazilian military dictatorship
[edit] Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 April 30#Category:Films about Brazilian military dictatorship
Category:Communities developed by Dean Alvord
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:41, 30 April 2025 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining category, we don't typically categorize by developer. (Somehow my nom never escaped Twinkle 🤣 ) SMasonGarrison 00:43, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
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Category:Slovenian immunologists
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- The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:41, 30 April 2025 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Slovenian immunologists to Category:Immunologists
- Nominator's rationale: Only 1 entry. Also merge with Category:Slovenian physicians. Forgot to list this at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_March_27#Category:Belizean_immunologists. LibStar (talk) 00:32, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:38, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
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Category:Warner Bros. Animation animated films
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- The result of the discussion was: rename. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:42, 30 April 2025 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: The word "animation" can be dropped from the title since the studio is named "Warner Bros. Animation" it specifically would only produce films with animation. RanDom 404 (talk) 00:01, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
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