Template:Did you know nominations/HNLMS De Ruyter (1935)
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HNLMS De Ruyter (1935)
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HNLMS De Ruyter
- ... that the Dutch light cruiser HNLMS De Ruyter (pictured) was designed by a clandistine front company supported by Nazi Germany?
- Source: "The most important German naval enterprise established in the Netherlands was the design firm of N.V. Ingenieurskantoor voor Scheepsbouw, or IvS (a front for AG Vulcan Stettin, AG Weser and Germaniawerft), founded in The Hague in 1922. Admiral Paul Behncke, commander of the post-war German Reichsmarine from 1920 to 1924, insisted that German naval design, particularly U-boat design, be continued clandestinely abroad and was the driving force behind the establishment of IvS...The Koninklijke Marine, through the association of its own personnel with these firms, received access to their technical developments while allowing the Reichsmarine and later Kriegsmarine to cover much of the financial investment.""DE RUYTER CLASS CRUISER DE RUYTER...The Koninklijke Marine turned to IvS to prepare the design of the new cruiser, intent on taking advantage of the firm’s access to recent German design developments." PG 10, 12, 18, 20 from The Royal Netherlands Navy of World War II by Ryan Noppen
- ALT1: ... that an essay contest was held to determine the design of HNLMS De Ruyter (pictured)?
- Source: "A Controversal Cruiser....A prize was offered for the best essay on the best type of cruiser for the Royal Netherlands Navy..."PG 75, Profile Warship: Her Netherlands Majesty's Ship De Ruyter by F.C. van Oosten
- ALT2: ... that the shipwreck of HNLMS De Ruyter (pictured) went missing in 2016, with the wreck's imprint on the ocean floor still visable?
- Reviewed:
- Comment: ALT2: While interesting, I listed it last as it could serve as a good hook for an article that would be otherwise unremarkable
Improved to Good Article status by GGOTCC (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
GGOTCC 00:21, 1 May 2025 (UTC).
The article is new enough (GA on 27 April 2025), long enough (15.771 characters), has no copyright issues (per GA review), and is presentable (per readthrough and GA review). QPQ is not required. The image is used in the article and its license seems in order. The first hook is interesting, but seems incorrect because the ship was ordered in 1932, and design started before that, and Nazi Germany was established in 1933. ALT1 is interesting, but also seems incorrect, only objections to an already proposed design emerged through the essay contest, according to the article. Therefore I prefer ALT2, but I noticed that the year 2016 that is not in the article text. From the source that covers the other elements, it is not clear when exactly the discovery was made, so I approve the shorter ALT3 version. – Editør (talk) 09:48, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
- ALT3 ... that the shipwreck of HNLMS De Ruyter (pictured) went missing, leaving only an imprint on the ocean floor?
- @Editør: Thank you for the response! While I do not object to ALT3, I believe thw main hook is still factual. Ship design does not end when the vessel is laid down; instead, it is a continuous effort until (and even after) she enters service. De Ruyter entered service in 1936, well after IvS was directly influenced by Nazi Germany. Even by the most conservative definitions, only the concept design of De Ruyter was finished when she was ordered in 1932. The Kriegsmarine was founded in 1935, meaning there was a solid year when IvS was funded by the Kriegsmarine as the cruiser was still being worked on. What do you think of this? Best, GGOTCC 02:51, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you for your explanation of "designed" and about the timeline. I don't think the first hook should be selected, because I think it needs further explanation to be clear. – Editør (talk) 10:35, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
