Commons : Graphic Lab/Map workshop

The larger circles are the terminus stations for the urban train services (keep in mind that in the case of blue line it is outdated, that station Caíde is not the terminal station for that line anymore.
I personally like the NS style map of showing all the services on the map altogether. I even personally started to draft a diagram on that direction but yeah, I am more a programmer than a designer 😅
The end goal would be a map showing CP and Metro do Porto together. But I think that the intermediate step of the CP network is also useful (as in a separate file in Commons). In this case, I think it'd make sense to indicate the stations that you can change to Metro do Porto with it's "M" icon next to the station names.--ArlindoPereira (talk) 10:39, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

”blue line it is outdated, that station Caíde is not the terminal station for that line anymore”, anything I need to change?
”I personally like the NS style map”. That is more or less what we have but as a map not a diagram but we were talking about doing that as well. Your diagram is good, so if you want to do them yourself that’s fine by me.
I have only found two stations which are both train and metro. If any more you have to tell me.

Draft proto train-2. --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 12:30, 25 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@ArlindoPereira Draft porto trains-3

I like this style with a white "center" on the line. Once you integrate the Metro lines, it will differentiate them (because they use very similar colors).
There are five CP stations that integrate with Metro do Porto: Porto-Campanhã, Porto-São Bento, General Torres, Contumil and Rio Tinto.
Other than that, I think it would be better that the Metro do Porto logo M letter would be aligned with the station name. Like this: "Porto-Campanhã (M)"
The section on yellow line between Coimbões and Porto-Campanhã will probably be a bit harder because it is almost horizontal. I suggest aligning the labels diagonally, but if you don't want that a solution with indication arrows could also be an option.

ArlindoPereira (talk) 14:02, 25 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's funny, I had already moved the M before reading your comment. I have two versions, with the M close to the station or on the far side of the name, I like the M close to the station but it's up to you.
I don't understand about the "horizontal", this is what OSM shows and my line follows that?

--please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 16:40, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah both versions are fine, let's roll with the M close to the station.
I might not have expressed clearly, I was trying to say that on the yellow line, the sequence of stations Coimbões, V.N. Gaia - Devesas and General Torres could be hard to legend because they were almost in an horizontal axis, but this time you made it fit perfectly :)
The next improvement in terms of signaling / integrations could be indicating on which stations the user could change to the InterCidades (long distance) or Alfa Pendular (HST), but I am not sure if that would pollute the map. If you want to try:
- Alfa Pendular - logo (probably it'd make sense to just use the rounded part, and leave the full one for the corner legend)
  - Stations (along green and yellow lines): Braga, Nine, Famalicão, Porto-Campanhã, V.N. Gaia - Devesas, Espinho, Aveiro
- InterCidades - logo
  - Stations:
    - (green line) Braga, Nine, Famalicão, Trofa, Porto-Campanhã
    - (red line) Guimarães, Vizela, Santo Tirso
    - (yellow line) Espinho, Ovar, Estarreja, Aveiro

ArlindoPereira (talk) 18:02, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Goran tek-en something that I forgot to mention: on the legend, the "Integração - Gratuita" doesn't make sense in the Portuguese reality, since it's charged per zones, so all integration is not charged extra. So it could be simply "Integração" or "Transbordo", or maybe not even mention at all (it's "just a station" after all). ArlindoPereira (talk) 18:12, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Goran tek-en asked for some feedback from the Portuguese community on SSC (link) and here's it:

"Integração" only makes sense in Brazilian Portuguese. In European Portuguese it must be "Transbordo".
A couple of typos:
- Coimbões -> Coimbrões (Yellow line)
- Pereirnhas -> Pereirinhas (Red line)
I missed another Metro do Porto integration: on Hospital São João (Hosp. S. João, purple line).
It could also be useful to mention with continuity arrows the possible integrations outside of the suburban trains network. Those would be:
- Green line
  - Nine: Valença (north)
- Blue line
  - Marco de Canaveses: Pocinho (east)
- Yellow line
  - Espinho: Vouga (southeast)
  - Aveiro: Lisboa (south), Vouga (east)

ArlindoPereira (talk) 08:27, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Goran tek-en someone pointed out an important detail that I wasn't aware (and that I checked and is true). Despite the indication on original CP Map, the new Leixões line is actually operated with Porto-Campanhã as a passthrough station, not as a final station. The trains start at Leça do Balio, pass through Porto-Campanhã and go south sharing rails with yellow line until station Ovar. Which means that the section between Porto-Campanhã and Ovar should be represented with yellow and purple lines.--ArlindoPereira (talk) 09:41, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@ArlindoPereira
Draft porto trains-4. --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 10:42, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Goran tek-en Looking nice. The Leixões line is with a different color though. I have a suggestion, let me know what you think: what if there is a "flying junction", i.e. instead of arriving from Leça do Balio to Contumil on the left, it arrives on the right. Then, it can continue with the same purple color all the way to Ovar. WDYT?

Other than that, some small points:

Some integrations are a bit off. For instance:
- Aveiro line (yellow)
  - Espinho station, the logo to the left looks a bit weird, as if it belongs to Silvade station. I'd put both of them to the right.
  - On Porto-S. Bento, it's probably better to align it horizontally instead of letting the logo fall below the name.
  - On Porto-Campanhã, the two logos aligned vertically look a bit weird to me, I think it'd be best to set them horizontally.
- Braga line (green)
  - Famalicão with the logos on both sides looks a bit off to me, I think both to the right might look best.
  - Same on Nine and Braga stations.

ArlindoPereira (talk) 08:52, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Goran tek-en some extra feedback I collected from SSC:

have the integration logo always on the left, except for special cases such as Porto-S.Bento and Gaia-Devesas
change "Transbordo" to "Conexão"
change "Transbordo outra" to "Conexão para outros serviços"
the connection order to show the connections, for the station that have multiple connections, should be Metro do Porto - Alfa Pendular - InterCidades, on that order.

--ArlindoPereira (talk) 12:31, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Leixões "lines" are actually one so it's the same color. Color do look different depending on neighboring colors.

Draft porto trains-5. --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 17:15, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Goran tek-en Oh, of course, I beg your pardon. Looks very nice. Minor fixes / suggestions:

on the legend, drop the written part of Alfa Pendular (keep only the circle logo)
align the legend on the right, so all "Conexão (...)" are vertically aligned

ArlindoPereira (talk) 07:59, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Goran tek-en found another typo: in blue line, station "Suão" should be "Suzão". ArlindoPereira (talk) 09:11, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Goran tek-en more fine-tuning to improve readability:

move V.N. Gaia-Devesas to the left of the line, move Metro logo to it's left;
move logos on Rio Tinto, Contumil, Porto-Campanhã, General Torres, Vizelas and Guimarães to the right of their stations names;
on Porto-S. Bento, move Metro logo to the left of the station name;
add InterCidades logo at V.N. Gaia-Devesas;
the Flying Junction on Leixões line should be between Contumil and Porto-Campanhã;
on Santo Tirso, move InterCidades logo to below the station name;
on the legend, change "Conexão para outros serviços" to "Conexão com outros serviços".

ArlindoPereira (talk) 13:30, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"move V.N. Gaia-Devesas to the left of the line, move Metro logo to it's left;", there is no Metro logo
Draft porto trains-6.

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Something totally different.

We are working on Portugal stuff here and it happens to be that I'm planning a road trip for the better part of May just to Portugal and the Atlantic cliffs in southern Portugal, coincidence.

But I have had to change the plans a bit so now I will go done to the Atlantic cliffs in north west Spain, Mia (my life companion doesn't want me to be away too long) from southern Sweden where I live. Hopefully it will be nice. --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 16:02, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(that's right, there will be a Metro station over there but it is under construction now, sorry for the confusion)
looking nice! :) I'll gather some more feedback from SSC folks (here, that page and the next one)
looks like a lovely trip! I personally lived in Porto region for 1,5 year during Covid time and never explored much to the south, only went to Aveiro once.--ArlindoPereira (talk) 16:10, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Goran tek-en some extra feedback from SSC:

Hosp. S. João (purple line), align the name to the center bottom of the station, and align the Metro icon to the left of it;
Trofa (red/green lines) is missing InterCidades icon; because it is too close of next station Lousado, it is probably better to the name to the left and it's icon to the left of the name;
On Braga, Nine, Famalicão (green line), Espinho, Ovar (yellow/purple lines) and Estarreja (yellow line), move the icons to the right of the station names;
On Aveiro (yellow line), move the station name to where the icons are, and move the icons to the left of the name;
On V.N.Gaia-Devesas (yellow/purple lines), try setting it into a single line, so it is not too close to Porto-S. Bento.
On Pereirinhas (red line), the syllable separation is broken, it should be Perei-rinhas --ArlindoPereira (talk) 08:39, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@ArlindoPereira Tried something more in line with the rest on Trofa.

Draft porto trains-7. --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 16:31, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Goran tek-en we're getting close :) Noticed a couple of typos:

Mouquin -> Mouquim
Terronas -> Terronhas

ArlindoPereira (talk) 19:33, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Goran tek-en a couple more improvements, from SSC folks:

Braga: move logos to the right of the name
Trofa: move logo to the bottom of the name (so it is more clearly connected with it and not to Lousado)
On the legends:
- Add " do Porto" in "Conexão com Metro"
- A subtitle to both CP long-distance services: "CP Longo Curso"
- Invert InterCidades with Alfa Pendular (so AP comes first and IC comes second) --ArlindoPereira (talk) 12:41, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@ArlindoPereira Draft porto trains-11.

Add " do Porto" in "Conexão com Metro, it did only say Conexão Metro so I added the com also.
A subtitle to both CP long-distance services: "CP Longo Curso", don't understand which you mean, which both?
Draft porto train-8.

--please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 14:33, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Goran tek-en with the line break it is not so good, maybe increase the legend box width so the whole line "Conexão com Metro do Porto" fits on a single line?

I meant creating a subtitle for the connection with long distance trains, more or less like this:


(@)  Conexão com Metro do Porto
CP Longo Curso
-- ----- -----
(@)  Conexão com Alfa Pendular
(@)  Conexão com InterCidades
(@) Conexão com outros serviços

--ArlindoPereira (talk) 15:26, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@ArlindoPereira Draft porto train-9. --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 16:34, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Goran tek-en sorry, spotted yet another typo (hopefully the last one) on purple line: "S. Mamede de Infesta" --ArlindoPereira (talk) 09:14, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@ArlindoPereira Don't be sorry, be happy, the map becomes better. Added scale.

When you show those draft in other communities I would be happy if you could inform that "Those drafts are shown for proofreading only."
And that I would be grateful if you deleted them as soon as the are not used any more (concluded discussions).
Draft porto train-10.

--please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 10:20, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Goran tek-en Sure, edited the posts removing the intermediate steps and mentioned the quoted request, no problem.

I believe we have reached it's final stage before adding the Metro network. I'll give it a day to collect feedback from the SSC community but I think we won't find any other typos.

Do you think it is possible to fit the "Pereirinhas" station on a single line, without the line break? It seems to be possible, but I don't know if it would make it too close to the next station to the right.--ArlindoPereira (talk) 15:04, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What I would like to do is to create the map with just Metro network, then we can add them as one. So as I see we will have three maps. --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 15:19, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Goran tek-en perfect, let's publish this one then and start the Metro one. As the network is on a small scale, it can be a bit closer (as in the basemap zoomed in a bit); eventually when we join the two, the CP map might need to be cutted a bit to fit (for instance between Nine to the north and Valadares to the south). ArlindoPereira (talk) 20:31, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Is this the correct area for Metro?

I will need the following;

Name of the file
Description (/language)
Captions/s (/language)
Category/ies at commons
Structured data/Items portrayed in this file, the Q#, to be able to upload it at commons, thanks.

--please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 15:39, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Mapa dos Comboios Urbanos do Porto / Porto Urban Trains Map
Mapa da região norte de Portugal mostrando as cinco linhas de comboios urbanos operados pela CP, e as integrações com demais linhas da CP e com o Metro do Porto. / Map of Portugal's north region showing the five urban train lines operated by CP and their integration with other CP lines and the Metro do Porto.
(not sure how the description and the caption should be equal or different from each other)
Category:CP Urbanos, Category:Comboios de Portugal, Category:Public transport maps
Q2624115, Q10388221, Q10384270, Q25430027, Q124220670, Q18473945, Q124221046, Q2652989, Q86274083 --ArlindoPereira (talk) 12:28, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@ArlindoPereira
- / slashes or backslashes is not good in filenames, changed to _.
- Caption is intended to be a short oneliner description, computers and search engines from outside of wikimedia can read that field so stuff on commons can be found from the whole of internet.
- I had forgotten to add "place" map so I added and there for I show a new Draft porto train-12. Please replay to that, thanks.
- Could you also check the overall area for metro below.
--please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 11:20, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Goran tek-en looks perfect, I think it is ready to be published. For the filename, I think you can choose either the Portuguese or the English one, not necessarily both. ArlindoPereira (talk) 11:49, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@ArlindoPereira

Now you can find it here Porto Urban Trains Map.
Please check all the information, also links for wikipedia, wikidata and structured data.

Done --=== Metro Porto ===please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 13:49, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Goran tek-en super, all is correct, already added to articles in multiple languages. Thanks :) ArlindoPereira (talk) 14:16, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Metro Porto

Extended content

@ArlindoPereira:

@Goran tek-en: It needs to go further north. The northest station is Póvoa de Varzim. The other limits are correct.--ArlindoPereira (talk) 12:03, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@ArlindoPereira Is not the line E supposed to go all the way to Estádio do Dragão, OSM. --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 16:10, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Goran tek-en it was reduced, and later expanded to it again. Looks like OSM is outdated. ArlindoPereira (talk) 20:15, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Goran tek-en diagram with lines G, H and metroBus (under construction);

Nothing is fine tuned.
There is a dense area in center, one thing I can do is enlarge the overall area in px (now 1601 in height, maybe increase to around 2000), I's a bit of work but I think it would be good for the whole map.
Please check all names etc even if we enlarge it.
Draft metro-1.

--please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 15:06, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Goran tek-en Yeah, it might make sense to enlarge it a little bit as the stations in the central area / close to where yellow line intercepts the main trunk are quite dense.

Typos / small errors:

Main trunk: Senora da Hora -> Senhora da Hora; NorteShopping/Sete Bicas -> NorteShopping / Sete Bicas (a space before and after slash);
Blue line: Eatádio do Mar -> Estádio do Mar;
- Câmara Matosinhos and Matosinhos Sul are inverted (the correct order is Brito Capelo - Matosinhos Sul - Câmara Matosinhos - Parque Real)
Red line: Vilo do Conde -> Vila do Conde; VC Fashion outlet / Modivas -> VC Fashion Outlet / Modivas;
Green line: Paraque Maia -> Parque Maia;
Yellow line: Salguerios -> Salgueiros; Hospital Santos Silvia -> Hospital Santos Silva;
Orange line: Bagium -> Baguim

Also, it might make sense to know that there are two other metro lines (G and H, pink and dark red) in construction, as well as a BRT named metroBus that will also be operated by them. So you can show them on a dashed color, or not even show them at first but keep in mind that they will soon-ish exist and avoid rework. I will double check whether they are mapped on OSM already and let you know.--ArlindoPereira (talk) 12:25, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Line G on OSM (there's no relat=== Metro Porto ===ion, only the `railway=construction`, you'd need to follow the segments to south): https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/771593370 (if you need, I can make a list of OSM ways);
Line H: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/771593371;
metroBus: is the `highway=busway` (green dashed line) on https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/41.158503/-8.634825&layers=P, goes until Império station here https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/41.155296/-8.673245&layers=P, also no relation yet.

ArlindoPereira (talk) 18:00, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Are the metro lines just called A B ...

Draft metro-2.

What I found for under construction.

Draft under construction-1. --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 17:11, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Goran tek-en Yes, just letters. Their names have to be "Linha X" instead of "Linha de X". Just to give some small context on Portuguese, CP's lines are "Linha de XXX" because that means "XXX's Line", whereas MdP lines are "Linha X", meaning "X Line".

Yes those are the three projects currently in construction. Please let me know if you want me to list / get OSM links for the stations. Line G / pink will connect to existing stations Casa da Música (main trunk) and São Bento (yellow); Line H / dark red will connect to existing stations Casa da Música (main trunk) and Santo Ovídio (yellow); metroBus line 1 will connect to Casa da Música as well.

Out of those, the subway lines are currently under construction and will probably open next year or 2027, while metroBus is with the infrastructure (roads / stops) ready, but the vehicles are delayed, so it will probably start later this year. --ArlindoPereira (talk) 12:07, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Goran tek-en on top of that, some thoughts regarding the line name pills:

On blue/orange line start, put line A and line F, in that order, above Senhor de Matosinhos station;
On Estádio do Dragão, put lines in alphabetical order: A, B, F.

ArlindoPereira (talk) 12:17, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@ArlindoPereira Please the stations on OSM, thanks. --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 16:44, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Line G, color pink, stations:
- Casa da Música (adjacent to the existing one, you can put it on the same point on the map);
- Galiza [2]
- Hospital de Santo António [3]
- São Bento (adjacent to the existing one, you can put it on the same point on the map).
Line H, color dark red / wine, stations:
- Casa da Música;
- Campo Alegre [4];
- Arrábida [5];
- Candal (between those two roundabouts: [6]);
- Rotunda [7];
- Devesas (connection to train station) [8];
- Soares dos Reis (between these two schools [9]);
- Santo Ovídio.
MetroBus Line 1, color turquoise, stations:
- Casa da Música;
- Guerra Junqueiro [10];
- Bessa [11];
- Pinheiro Manso [12];
- Serralves [13];
- João de Barros [14];
- Império [15].

Also, MetroBus uses this weird B logo, similar to the M for Metro do Porto, but rotated clockwise: [16] ArlindoPereira (talk) 11:43, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@ArlindoPereira For G and H, either have you mixed them in this post or I have mixed them on the drawing? --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 15:19, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Goran tek-en just double checked, you have mixed them. Line G is the smaller one and Line H is the bigger one (links to Wikipedia articles). ArlindoPereira (talk) 08:42, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Draft GH1-2. I keep them hidden for now.

What's next?

--please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 17:02, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@ArlindoPereira Will have to create a svg for the logo. --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 17:03, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Goran tek-en I think that for better understanding, the metrobus line "pill" could read "MetroBus Linha 1". Other than that looks fine. :)

I think the next step is setting legends etc. and releasing. This step should be relatively easy.

I checked on our Rio map and there we have a thin black line on top of the colored lines for Metro. Then we have buses just as colored lines. As we are going to add a bus line later on and now you are talking about more stuff for the + map I think we should keep this. Is that fine with you?
Draft metro-3.

If the draft above is good, I will need the following;

Name of the file
Description (/language)
Captions/s (/language)
Category/ies at commons
Structured data/Items portrayed in this file, the Q#, to be able to upload it at commons, thanks. --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 13:56, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Goran tek-en hmmm I think that the black line doesn't make sense here. We used in Rio because we needed to differentiate four networks that used roughly the same colors (trains, subway, light rail, BRT), while the same doesn't happen in Porto. I think how it was before was better. Maybe we can save this style (think black line) to differentiate the metroBus from the regular Metro lines, when it launch.

Metro do Porto Network Map (en)

Mapa da Rede do Metro do Porto (pt)

Um mapa contendo as seis linhas do Metro do Porto, mostrando as conexões com as estações de comboio da CP.

A map with the six lines from Metro do Porto light rail, showing the connection with the heavy rail stations from CP.

categories: [17], [18]

wikidata: [19], [20], [21], [22], [23], [24], [25]--ArlindoPereira (talk) 20:44, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The reason to keep the black line is so the maps has some kind of similarity and even more important so that people with color deficiency can tell them (different types of transportation) apart so much better.

It's kind of important to me so is it very important to you not to have the black lines? --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 16:25, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Goran tek-en, ok, fair enough, let's keep it then :) ArlindoPereira (talk) 08:44, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Now you can find it here Metro do Porto Network Map.

Please check all the information, also links for wikipedia, wikidata and structured data.
Done

--please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 19:26, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Goran tek-en looks nice :) but I noticed we missed the CP icon for the Metro stations that have integrations with the train. Those would be:

Main trunk
- Campanhã
Yellow line
- Hospital São João
- São Bento
- General Torres
Orange line
- Campainha

ArlindoPereira (talk) 11:59, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Goran tek-en Similarly, it'd be nice to include an icon in São Bento mentioning the connection to Funicular dos Guindais, a funicular that connects the upper and lower areas in downtown Porto. ArlindoPereira (talk) 13:49, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@ArlindoPereira Do we have an icon? --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 15:54, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Goran tek-en [26] for CP (use only the green part) and [27] (only the shield) for the funicular.

Btw as that logo is not vector, if you could create a svg version of it, would be great. Should be relatively simple to vectorize.--ArlindoPereira (talk) 07:45, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@ArlindoPereira Draft metro porto-4. --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 12:09, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Train + Metro Porto

The hard step (in my opinion) will be integrating the two networks together, as the Metro is much denser. Maybe with an inset area, similar to what was done in Rio map. If zoomed in enough, we could also try to integrate smaller networks, such as the three tram lines ("Eléctrico" in pt-pt): Line 1, Line 18 and Line 22, as well as smaller transports such as Funicular dos Guindais and the Gaia Cable Car / Teleférico de Gaia (this one, touristic). ArlindoPereira (talk) 08:28, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Train Porto-Campanhã is not the same as metro Campanhã what I can see but train Porto-Campanhã has a metro symbol. So it's different stations but you can walk in between them and continue your travel?
Same with Porto-São Bento and São Bento?
In this mixed map maybe I can join Porto and not Porto for those two?

But that will give a small discrepancies between this mixed and the separate train and metro map but I don't think I can avoid it? --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 16:27, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, Porto-Campanhã is a heavy rail station operated by CP and (Metro) Campanhã is a light rail station operated by Metro do Porto. The stations lie side by side and you can walk between them with corridors.
- I have an old video, from the pandemic years (it is so weird to rewatch those videos wearing masks...), showing the two Campanhã stations. Unfortunately it is in Portuguese but you can ignore the audio and activate the automatic subtitles in English. By the 7 minute mark I walk from the light rail to the heavy rail station. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwIs3p5l2vk
Similarly, Porto-São Bento and São Bento, but in this case the Metro one is underground.
Yeah with the two maps united I think it might make sense to supress the "Porto-" prefix and show both stations together. It is a bit hard to imagine how that would look. But I feel it should be similar to what we did on Rio map with the São Cristóvão or the Maracanã stations (in case of São Bento) and similar to Central do Brasil for Campanhã.--ArlindoPereira (talk) 20:52, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Update outdated map

Outdated map

Article(s): en:Streetcars in New Orleans

Request

Hi, this map is outdated. Please update it. Thank you! --OrdinaryScarlett (talk) 09:49, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@OrdinaryScarlett As the requester it would be great if you provided a source for the update, so graphic worker knows what to change/add, thanks. --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 15:56, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Goran tek-en: Ah, my apologies. The red Canal Streetcar Line to Cemeteries should be recolored red, the light green Canal Streetcar Line to City Park & Museum should be recolored red, the yellow Rampart–Loyola Streetcar Line should be recolored purple, and a new light blue line called the Loyola–Rampart Streetcar Line should be created running with the Rampart–Loyola Streetcar Line from Union Passenger Terminal to Rampart Street, then running with the Canal Streetcar Line from Rampart Street to Canal Street, where it turns and takes over the half of the dark blue Riverfront Streetcar Line from Canal Street to French Market. The dark blue Ricerfront Streetcar Line should be removed from the map, with the segment between John Churchill Chase Street and Canal Street being removed. OrdinaryScarlett (talk) 01:00, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Map used in around 80 articles (improvement/correction)

Map of early historic south India

Map of early historic south India
Periplous of the Erythraean Sea locations

Article(s): Around 80 articles

Request: 1. Map of early historic south India - kindly remove the internal borders from the map (as they are largely estimations - locations of various ancient polities or tribes). Please smudge the lines or something. 2. Periplous of the Erythraean Sea locations - This image looks incredibly amateur. Kindly remove the strange white fog all over the image. Please make this a professional map. --JamesMdp (talk) 14:58, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Updating a map

Turkey regions map for use on Wikivoyage, English version

Article(s): Turkey on Wikivoyage

Request: Hello. The map is clearly lacking some major roads. Could anybody kindly update it to 2025 status-quo? -Dudewithafez (talk) 21:56, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Maps of the Principality of Monaco

Moved from Commons:Graphic_Lab/Illustration_workshop#Maps_of_the_Principality_of_Monaco: 痛^Designism (talk) 16:56, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Request: All maps of the Principality of Monaco should now feature the new Mareterra district, built on the sea and opened to the public in December 2024. --InfattiVedeteCheViDice (talk) 08:52, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Ireland motorway maps

Moved from Graphic Lab/Illustration workshop: 痛^Designism (talk) 18:08, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Original image
Modification of original image, updated in 2018 but still with mistakes

Article(s): en:Motorways in the Republic of Ireland, en:History of roads in Ireland, various other Irish motorway articles

Request: I'd like to make a request for SVG versions of Irish motorway maps if they can be made. It might be a lot of work, especially if you're unfamiliar with the Irish road network ‒ for that reason, I have given the following information to make my request as clear as possible, going by the first image:

The map features national primary roads (which include motorways) only.
It requires updates for extended or newly constructed motorways. These are the extension of the M18, the construction of the M17 and the extension of the M11.
It is missing route numbers for the M50, the M2, the N19 (near Limerick), the N23 (near Tralee), the N28 (near Cork) and the N29 (near Waterford).
Apart from the N31 and small section of the N11, all national roads shown in Dublin (inside the M50) should be removed (these roads were downgraded in 2012).
Apart from the N6, all national roads around Galway should be removed (these roads were downgraded after the construction of the M17 and M18).

Google Maps or OpenStreetMap shows the current Irish road network. Route number shields can be found at Category:Diagrams of route signs of Ireland. A request was made in 2018 but was archived upon request assumably due to the user having made the map themselves (second image). Derivations of the map were made to highlight specific sections of motorway for their relevant articles, it would really be appreciated if those could be made too. Please let me know if you need more information! Thanks in advance. --EthanL13 | talk 14:52, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Request taken by --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 14:27, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Just as you say I have no knowledge of this so I will need your support during this, thanks. --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 14:27, 30 March 2025 (UTC) [reply]

Extended content

@EthanL13 I don't really understand, you ask for SVG versions of Irish motorway maps but you link to national primary roads which includes national roads and you talk about different national roads to be included.

Is it just motorways or not?

--please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 17:31, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Goran tek-en Hi, apologies for the confusion. In Ireland, motorways are considered to be national primary roads. Thus, the map should include both motorways, M, and national roads, N (but not N51 and after), as the current PNGs do. EthanL13 | talk 18:06, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Those drafts are PNG versions of the original SVG file I'm working in and will upload to commons.

Those drafts are shown for proofreading only.

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I couldn't find a sign for M12 so I created it File:M12-IE_confirmatory.svg, when it was added to this Category:Diagrams_of_motorway_number_signs_of_Ireland it ended up last. I can't find out how to get into edit view to fix this, maybe need someone with more permissions?
Right now I need you to check if those motorways (not national primary roads) have the correct stretches for the different numbers. Don't think about layout stuff, will fix that later ones all the correct roads are in place.
Draft ireland roads-1.

--please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 15:47, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Goran tek-en Looks good! The only motorway I didn't see yet was the M20. Will there be a distinction in colour for motorways and national roads?

I hadn't realised you would do the route numbers for Northern Ireland, where UK-design signs are used. Perhaps you might use those from Category:Generic British motorway plaques in that case (as well as Category:A-road signs of the United Kingdom). EthanL13 | talk 16:49, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

To get some kind of harmony on the stuff created here, we try to stick to File:Maps template-en.svg as much as possible. So yes, there will be a difference between the different types of roads.
Please remember all the time, I have zero knowledge of this. So if you want me to use different signs for different areas you have to explain in detail which should not be Irish and what to use, hope you understand.

Context: At the same time as I work on this I do work on a map of Greater Lincolnshire, England and maps for public transportation in Portugal/Porto. So there is no way I can have knowledge on it all, thanks. --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 17:00, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@EthanL13 Can't find M20, please show on map or other way. --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 17:03, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I was just saying since the originals didn't have route shields for Northern Ireland. I do of course understand.

The M20 motorway is located south of Limerick. EthanL13 | talk 17:12, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@EthanL13 Thanks, as we are creating a new map I do not look to much on the old ones as they are not correct, so it's easier for me to create from scratch with your knowledge. Just tell me what to add and remove in the drafts so the final result will be what you want. --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 17:20, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@EthanL13 So I understand, do you want roads in Northen Ireland but with different signs or no roads at all. --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 12:11, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Goran tek-en Having thought about it, I think that the map should not show roads (and placenames) in Northern Ireland, since the purpose of the maps are to display roads in the Republic only.

However, maybe a version of the map could be made for the roads in Ireland article, which shows the major roads (motorways and national primary roads in the Republic, motorways and A-roads in the North), but without route number signs.

So, to avoid confusion and clarify my request:

Map of major roads in the Republic of Ireland – don't display roads in Northern Ireland
- Republic of Ireland motorway maps – same as above, but highlights each section of motorway (as in Category:Maps of motorways in Ireland
Map of major roads on the island of Ireland – display roads in both the Republic and the North, but no route shields

EthanL13 | talk 12:46, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@EthanL13 Now I need you to really check this draft before I continue, thanks.

Draft ireland roads-2. --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 17:56, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Goran tek-en Looks fantastic! My only remarks are:

Remove the red roads just above the N50 route shield, and delete the N50 route shield itself.
Simplify/remove the marked interchanges on the M2 (Ashbourne) and M3 (Navan and Kells). In my opinion, they currently give the impression that these are major interchanges (i.e. with another important road), which they aren't exactly.

The current placement of the route shields is temporary? EthanL13 | talk 09:11, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's up to you how the signs should be placed, I have put them so they repeat after crossings etc so you can really see which is which.

Draft Ireland roads-3. --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 13:58, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Goran tek-en I think the route shields should be placed directly on the roads rather than next to them, except of course where it's not possible. I've marked where they could be moved, but their placement is ultimately up to you, as well as how often you want to repeat them along a stretch of road. As well as that I think some can be deleted where they are a bit redundant, in my view. I like the key at the bottom right – I only suggest the terms single carriageway and dual carriageway be used instead. But I don't think the location maps in the top left are necessary. I had the idea, though, that the space could be used instead for areas where route shields are crammed (zoom levels are purely for example). Finally, I think it would be important to include place names (again, shown purely for example).

Road map suggestions

I'd like to thank you so much for your patience and work so far! EthanL13 | talk 14:32, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Location maps. For you, those are not necessary but maybe to a lot of people from far far away, we create material for everyone here, no mater where you live. I read an article about how much Americans knows about Europe and the different countries. So if you don't have a strong reason for removing them I really would like to keep them.
Now when I have cleaned up, do you still think the zooms are necessary?
Many many years ago I spent at least a month in Galway, I was there for training on Thermo King machines. One of my clearest memories from then is the incredible Guinness I had there, amazing.

Draft Ireland roads-4. --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 17:29, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Since I would expect people who are reading an article on a country's roads to already know where that country is, I wouldn't have thought it would be necessary. But I am not strictly against it so the choice here is yours.
Indeed, it looks a lot clearer now, so no, they aren't necessary anymore. I would only remove the N9 shield though, given the road is so short (550 metres) and its placement is quite misleading.
I apologise if I wasn't clear, but I had meant that the key should read in full "National primary road (single carriageway)" and "National primary road (dual carriageway)" (whatever formatting is up to you).
Finally, the N18 shield that is directly above the N19 shield should be deleted.
(I must admit that I have never been fond of the taste of Guinness :P)

EthanL13 | talk 10:22, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The article is one thing but the map/illustration can be used elsewhere, in places and for reasons we don' know today.
N9, I agree about the placing so I tried something else, N29 is also short so then it also could be removed if length is a factor.
Draft Ireland roads-5.

--please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 10:43, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Goran tek-en I like that idea for the N9, only it is just pointing to the wrong road. Other than that, I'd say that the map is good to go! EthanL13 | talk 11:40, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Corrected N9

I will need the following;

Name of the file
Description (/language)
Captions/s (/language)
Category/ies at commons
Structured data/Items portrayed in this file, the Q#, to be able to upload it at commons, thanks.

--please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 15:01, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Goran tek-en I suppose it could be called something to the original file – something like "Major roads in the Republic of Ireland map"? I could do the rest maybe once you've uploaded the file if that's possible? EthanL13 | talk 20:10, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Now you can find it here Major roads in the Republic of Ireland map.

Please check all the information, also links for wikipedia, wikidata and structured data.

Should we do another version for the island of Ireland?

--please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 17:08, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Goran tek-en Great! Now in use on w:Motorways in the Republic of Ireland. Everything looks good to me. As for the latter, that would be great. EthanL13 | talk 17:25, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Done part one.

@EthanL13 But what roads in the north, you wrote something about signs before? --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 13:46, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Goran tek-en Yep, the version of the map of roads on the entire island shouldn't show any shields. EthanL13 | talk 14:21, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@EthanL13 Draft Ireland island roads-1. --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 17:57, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Goran tek-en Really nice. I must admit I'm not too familiar with the Northern Irish road network but it seems good to me. My only remarks:

Given the w:Derry/Londonderry name dispute, I would add "Derry" somewhere alongside "Londonderry" (with a slash, or above or below, or whatever works)
For the key, remove the word "national" so it just reads "Primary road". EthanL13^{[please ping me]} 20:05, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]